Tulpa.info - metaphysics

majiq 🐉 they/ask 👽 BOT 8/28/2022 2:43 AM

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Oh, wb

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I experience significant insomnia from about 10 years old, and while I learned to deal with it and even turned it into an often useful skill, only in recent years have I found several ways to simply eliminate the problem. There easy to learn…

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We have insomnia problems too (like right now). I think for us it's a stress thing

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One time I remember talking to Dream's clone Sleep and he helped me calm down by addressing the fact I wanted to wake up early. I still had insomnia but I was able to roll over more easily and I got some sleep in a situation I would have probably gotten way less sleep

If they are easy to learn, then I am prompted by this to ask the question for you to go on. Goonplz?

Oh, Ringer only ever likes to tease

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The mystery makes him look wiser

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If he told you how to do it, he wouldn't be special anymore

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Besides, "you can easily look it up yourself"!

One thing that trashed our sleep was worrying about sleep. Anxiety about anxiety

Hello, new to the discord. Found it through the podcast Mysterious Universe. I have an insane story about what I now believe was a Tulpa and I'm curious if anyone here has ever heard of anything like this. In Summer of 2020, my house was taken over by an entity. I had lived in the house for 3 years at that point with zero issues, then out of nowhere something started materializing river rocks and throwing them at my girlfriend and I at night. After a couple weeks it started happening in broad daylight. The rocks were nowhere in our house prior to this happening, so that's why I say "materializing". My girl and I were the only ones living in the house with no cats, dogs or anything that we could mistake this for. This is an tediously long drawn out tale, and I documented as much of it as I could while it was happening. If anyone has heard of anything like this, please feel free to reach out. After years of researching, I now believe this was a Tupla(potentially). Open to any thoughts or opinions from anyone here. I no longer live in that house. Thanks in advance! Here is a blog written by a paranormal researcher who was trying to help us figure out what was going on while it was happening for anyone needing further details. https://lowstrangeness.blogspot.com/2020/10/investigation-poltergeist-activity-mid.html

Definitely not a tulpa.

2:55 AM

You picked the right channel though

Unfastened Belts

Definitely not a tulpa.

Thanks for the insight. I've been practicing aspects of Chaos Magick since 2017. Sigils & Writing Rituals mainly. If it wasn't for that, I'd chalk it up to a very unique poltergeist. After almost 2 years of researching what happened in that house, I keep coming back to Tulpas as the thing that makes the most sense. My girl also practices Magick, and those few months leading up to and during the events was probably one of the most stressful times on our lives and as a couple. I've heard of folks accidentally creating Tulpas, so that's what brought me here.

Accidental tulpa creation does happen

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But your tulpa will never do anything without you knowing about it

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It's not possible

Is there such thing as a group Tulpa? If so, would you know everything it's doing?

There isn't.

Okay, thanks for your insight. I listen to Mysterious Universe a lot, and they've reviewed quite a few books about Tulpas. Their research makes it seem like it's totally separate from the person creating it. Doing things to almost startle and surprise the people who've accidently created them, and others around them. I'm definitely interested to learn more.

The occult tulpa and the 'internet' tulpa are pretty different things, or at least conceived in very very different ways

What's an "internet" tulpa?

Well tulpas as a phenomenon are quite separate from the occult at this point, I'm just referring to tulpas that have developed within that sphere vs the occult sphere

Gotcha. My thought process was based less on the Occult aspect of creating it, but more on the stress going on in my house around the time it happened added with the mental focus I was putting into Sigils and Writing. Not sure if that makes sense but honestly after two years of looking for answers, I seem to be no closer than when I started:/

Yeah you probably are closer to the mark with the idea of thoughtforms. Coming from not-the-occult I see everything from ghosts to gods as thoughtforms.

I can definitely get down with that thought process. Makes sense to me

tastelessrj

Is there such thing as a group Tulpa? If so, would you know everything it's doing?

If you are approaching tulpamancy from the perspective of chaos magic, the term for a tulpa there is a local spirit. Something you conjure, create and uses your own brain's processing power. Tulpamancy is very much the sterilization of magical aspects of this tradition and exploring it from a psychological angle so naturally you probably wont get too much in the way of agreement on the supernatural from people here, including me. As for group-tulpas, egregores are a thing; but the conceits of chaos magic do not prevent local spirits from doing things in the real world or interacting with others, and egregores are more about being gestalt ideas on the astral plane than throwing rocks. However chaos magic would presume that if you did not make it, it would be a non-local spirit or an otherwise separate astral being, rather than a tulpa/local spirit. (edited)

Zen

If you are approaching tulpamancy from the perspective of chaos magic, the term for a tulpa there is a local spirit. Something you conjure, create and uses your own brain's processing power. Tulpamancy is very much the sterilization of magical aspects of this tradition and exploring it from a psychological angle so naturally you probably wont get too much in the way of agreement on the supernatural from people here, including me. As for group-tulpas, egregores are a thing; but the conceits of chaos magic do not prevent local spirits from doing things in the real world or interacting with others, and egregores are more about being gestalt ideas on the astral plane than throwing rocks. However chaos magic would presume that if you did not make it, it would be a non-local spirit or an otherwise separate astral being, rather than a tulpa/local spirit. (edited)

This is great information. Thanks for taking the time to type all this out. The more I learn about Tulpas the way described here and on the reddit community, they seem more akin to the thoughtforms Napoleon Hill wrote about in "Think & Grow Rich", which makes a lot of sense to me. The only part I really struggle with is how vastly different the Tulpas are that many books have referred to. Unfortunately I don't have the book names memorized, but Mysterious Universe(podcast) have been deep diving in Tulpa books for the last two years pretty heavily. Their podcast format essentially picks one to two books an episode and explores the writings, and breaks it down between both hosts. They're on Season 26 right now, so at this point I can't imagine how many books they've covered on Tulpas but the way they usually describe them is a thoughtform usually accidently created that wreaks havoc not only for the folks that create them, but people outside of the creator as well. Last night was the first episode I've heard them covering purposeful Tulpas and Tulpa.info which lead me here. Thanks for all the info. The more I talk to you folks, seems like I'm on the wrong path to finding whatever the hell this thing in my old house was. For the record I don't personally think it has much to do with Chaos Magick but I always include that info just in case it helps in anyway. I'm just looking for any answers I can find on a very strange situation I still can't wrap my head around. Thanks for all the insight!

Tulpas but the way they usually describe them is a thoughtform usually accidently created that wreaks havoc not only for the folks that create them, but people outside of the creator as well

Very strange. The concept of a tulpa, and the term, comes from Theosophy, which is another magical tradition. In that tradition they are most definitely always intentional, as well. To be blunt it sounds like the podcast is just misinformed about what the term means. Even outside of the psychological space tulpa should not be used to refer to intrusive thoughtforms, generally.

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Though in theosophy the person who coined the term did experience the tulpa in question turn into a distinctly negative form, and then they dissipated them.

They very well could be misinformed, but the information they're getting comes from many books written on the topic. So maybe a large swath of authors are also misinformed, because that's where they get all their information. They basically do book reports on the podcast, but a much more entertaining presentation than your average book report. I've learned a lot from this community so far, and I've been here for about 12 hours lol I'd be very interested to hear what people in this community thought of some of their Tulpa episodes.

tbh I've never heard of or seen a tulpa book that doesn't look like bs lol

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There is an anthropologist, Tanya Luhrmann, who wrote a book called "How God Becomes Real". She is involved in the recent stanford study on tulpas and other experiences of autonomous entities, I trust this book will be pretty enlightening on the topic.

I've tried reading that book. Tbh it was too boring for me and only slightly touched tulpamancy.

I need to work on shifting to the 5th dimension before I leave this physical plane. Don’t want to be stuck in a lower dimension for eternity. I used to be there a few years ago but for some reason I got thrown out of it, maybe I still had to experience the other dimensions more in order to be more mature

Fifth dimension?

Oh; my favourite. Psychotic ideations. Every time with tulpamancy.

Unfastened Belts

Fifth dimension?

I don't think being happy should be punished. If you were having that experience before, I think you can achieve it again

lol you're mystifying being happy.

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That's new.

I see metaphysics through a logical lens. I don't know about being able to astral travel, but to be motivated to achieve a state of being where you're "happy, quiet, mindful, observing, and at ease" sounds like something anyone would want to achieve

A fifth dimension is an isekai harem you are going to get after death

I'm not going to indulge the idea that you need to do magical work to be happy. It should be obvious what sort of innate pitfalls that leads to.

Doing magic in your wonderland doesn't count as magical work, right?)

Oh, I see magic as another way to see the world. Even if it's labeled as "magic", I think there are sometimes useful ideas that can apply to things outside of magic. I'm not seeing the idea of a 5th dimension as literal, it's in my mind a state of being, like being happy or sad. In other words, it's an experience (edited)

Calling something magic creates excuse for not being logically reasoned

I agree that not all magic is logical, but sometimes you find a few gems in the rough

A long kiss goodnight

Oh, I see magic as another way to see the world. Even if it's labeled as "magic", I think there are sometimes useful ideas that can apply to things outside of magic. I'm not seeing the idea of a 5th dimension as literal, it's in my mind a state of being, like being happy or sad. In other words, it's an experience (edited)

I'm presuming that because they put it here, it absolutely is literal. And by definition this sort of thing innately prevents people from understanding what is actually wrong with their mindsets, which are entirely mundane. Self-hypnosis can change how you feel but it isn't perfect.

I don't want to go after someone because they believe in magic in the #metaphysics channel. In my eyes it's like telling a Christian God isn't real, it gets to a point where it's disrespectful. While not all beliefs in magic are helpful, I like to gently guide people out of tough spots (hence why I said I don't think happiness in of itself should be punished) I also disagree that they're delusional, in my eyes what they're talking about is a difference in perspective. They're not claiming they're Jesus Christ and they're not telling me tulpas stole their emotions. I like to give people the benefit of a doubt as a baseline

They haven't clarified their position; I cannot make a hard claim on whether they're delusional or not. I am purely talking about the practical application of what they're doing here.

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Naturally, I do think they're wrong, but that's not the point - They're performing an action called spiritual bypassing.

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They're making themselves feel good while not resolving their real and very mundane issues, preventing them from seeking real happiness.

Yeah Zen is right. In a controlled way you could use this dimensional framework to approach happiness but considering orange doesn't seem to have a game plan, this doesn't seem so controlled or practical.

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Spiritual bypassing is a real and dangerous thing

Hmm, I didn't know about spiritual bypassing. I am read more about it here: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-empowerment-diary/201901/what-is-spiritual-bypassing I could be very naïve with this position, but I'm hoping that even if they're toying with spiritual bypassing, it's possible to help them achieve spiritual beliefs that complement healthier attitudes about their feelings. I think it's okay to believe in whatever as long as it doesn't hurt yourself or other people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsY8tH1NF7U

ESOTERICA

Necromancy Manual in the Cambridge Library - Erotic Binding Magic, ...

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Vaguely tulpa-relevant.

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Wow it really cut the title off exactly there. (edited)

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IT'S NOT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, IT INCLUDES SPIRIT SUMMONING

Hey this is not the #mature channel!!

I live near Cambridge

shit, that's too far, even for metaphysics...

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Lately I have been really interested in researching remote viewing, second body, clairvoyance and different realms and how to train mental abilities to get there. Does anyone know anything about it or has experiences?

spicyorange

Lately I have been really interested in researching remote viewing, second body, clairvoyance and different realms and how to train mental abilities to get there. Does anyone know anything about it or has experiences?

We have experience of "different realms". But will prefer to discuss it in PMs

Yesterday I laid on the ground in the middle of a forest. I was totally relaxed. I asked for a sign from spirits. As I was laying I was getting half drowsy and from the tree branches I looked up to, they were morphing into shapes. I saw a jaguar, some type of warriors, faces but they were very distinct and detailed. The crazy thing is I don’t have those images in my mind I’ve never seen such figures. I was laying there for hours until it got dark. I’m curious if this can be replicated by someone else. You have to almost close your eyes and think of things you want to see. And sometimes let it happen.

oh yeah

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I do that when I am daydreaming, or when I sit down to think up of a character design to draw

spicyorange

Yesterday I laid on the ground in the middle of a forest. I was totally relaxed. I asked for a sign from spirits. As I was laying I was getting half drowsy and from the tree branches I looked up to, they were morphing into shapes. I saw a jaguar, some type of warriors, faces but they were very distinct and detailed. The crazy thing is I don’t have those images in my mind I’ve never seen such figures. I was laying there for hours until it got dark. I’m curious if this can be replicated by someone else. You have to almost close your eyes and think of things you want to see. And sometimes let it happen.

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Laying on the ground is underrated in general

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So much stuff to look at up there

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And it's comfier than sitting most of the time

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Raptoir

So much stuff to look at up there

looks at the ceiling Oh yeah, i need to go outside first...

Genry_the_frog

looks at the ceiling Oh yeah, i need to go outside first...

Actually, you can get results while observing a textured ceiling ... (edited)

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Mine is just mono white. But a bit dirty for some reason. And that's what?... A web? And another one. I need to do some cleaning work

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNrc_4oGYpY

Ah, faces in the clouds. I have on two occasions been visited by my tulpas in the clouds. Dr. Bob

I plan a road-trip to Sedona and Mount Shasta I want to see what’s up with those energy vortex’s because when I see pictures I get a weird calming feeling

@Deleted User I'm not that much of a mage, so I usually stick within a psychological framework, but I dabble a bit. A tulpa is firstly a really good practice for developing concentration, just as a sort of preliminary thing - I would say that having a tulpa is about equivalent to keeping a light meditation habit. However, in the context of magic, a tulpa is still an object of concentration, and thus can be a distraction even if they're helping you with your work, depending on the nature of your tulpa. To me, my tulpa is an expression of divinity (mostly Mercurius), and so she can serve as a conduit for prayer or sacrifice without any need to concentrate on anything else. This within a western or thelemic framework. Within an Eastern framework, tulpas (at least in English) are just as loosely defined. My favorite origin story, which I learned from an occultist, is that monks seeking to earn the rank of adept would make an autonomous tulpa as a test of their mindfulness and compassion. Only the monks with insight into emptiness would be able to get along perfectly and continue practice. This also has parallels to Deity Yoga, one of the higher tantra, where the practitioner would visualize the form (and non-form) of a deity (all deities being an expression of buddha-mind themselves), come to identify with the deity as in divine pride, and dissolve the deity into all of reality so that all things seem to be a part of the deity. A tulpa is also useful in the very highest tantra, which is symbolized by sexual union/karmamudra - I'm sure if you're a mage you get the symbolic implications there.

Raptoir

@Deleted User I'm not that much of a mage, so I usually stick within a psychological framework, but I dabble a bit. A tulpa is firstly a really good practice for developing concentration, just as a sort of preliminary thing - I would say that having a tulpa is about equivalent to keeping a light meditation habit. However, in the context of magic, a tulpa is still an object of concentration, and thus can be a distraction even if they're helping you with your work, depending on the nature of your tulpa. To me, my tulpa is an expression of divinity (mostly Mercurius), and so she can serve as a conduit for prayer or sacrifice without any need to concentrate on anything else. This within a western or thelemic framework. Within an Eastern framework, tulpas (at least in English) are just as loosely defined. My favorite origin story, which I learned from an occultist, is that monks seeking to earn the rank of adept would make an autonomous tulpa as a test of their mindfulness and compassion. Only the monks with insight into emptiness would be able to get along perfectly and continue practice. This also has parallels to Deity Yoga, one of the higher tantra, where the practitioner would visualize the form (and non-form) of a deity (all deities being an expression of buddha-mind themselves), come to identify with the deity as in divine pride, and dissolve the deity into all of reality so that all things seem to be a part of the deity. A tulpa is also useful in the very highest tantra, which is symbolized by sexual union/karmamudra - I'm sure if you're a mage you get the symbolic implications there.

Thank you, that's exactly the kinda answer I was looking for

I messed around with tulpas a bit as a kid, but lost interest after I found the motivation had switched from exploring the powers of the mind to alleviating loneliness lol

Personally I don't think alleviating loneliness is all that bad :P A tulpa helps with part of it, can't help with another part. The other part will go on to hurt, but a tulpa can simply solve the other problem for as long as you care about it.

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I've never had a loneliness problem though, never suffered for lack of friends

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And you know, many spiritual masters have lauded upon the importance of love

Haha I don't think there's anything wrong with it, but it made me feel sad about myself so I stopped

yeah I get what you mean. There was a definite point where the tension of it came to head, and I needed to choose between 'going crazy' and denying the love I had

Nowadays, I could probably not beat myself up over it, but I also find myself beyond needing that gap filled so idk

Raptoir

yeah I get what you mean. There was a definite point where the tension of it came to head, and I needed to choose between 'going crazy' and denying the love I had

Yep, I found myself in a very similar spot (at several times, now that I think about it) but it was a very naive sort of love that was honestly barely above lust so the decision was pretty easy

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I think the most recent "revival" was after an experience like what im seeing karmamudra described as, although I've never seen the term before today lol

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Was vibing out on lsd and she sorta descended onto me out of nowhere

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Was an undescribable feeling of ecstacy and it had me rattled for the rest of the night, but it was kinda hard to be content with normal tulpa things after that

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And there was also the issue of feeling like my consciousness was split instead of us being independent entities, but I think that's because my view of things was very materialistic with thinking of the mind in terms of a biological computer with limited processing power

That's just straight-up correct though. If a tulpa doesn't use any of your conscious processing power, they're not really conscious.

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But the degree varies a lot depending on practice and such

I guess I'd kinda agree, but at the time I was worried that it would make my brain "lag" lol